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NTSC console + SDTV + EU/PAL PS3 games = 80028F10
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Firble
Posts: 72
Registered: 02-25-2003
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2 of the games/demos downloaded from PSN EU is not working on NTSC console hooked to SDTV. The games are Tekken and GTHD. However these titles work great on HDTV setup. I assumed that other demos/titles on PSN EU store are multicoded with PAL and NTSC and HD. In SDTV mode, the console will force-output its native console signal (NTSC), but in HDTV mode, the NTSC/PAL restriction is not an issue anymore. As we know that some PSN contents are affected with this limitation, I wonder if this problem also affect disc-based titles? I know that Sony already stated PS3 games are region-free, but are they region-free for HDTV only or including SDTV as well?
UPDATE:
*Certain disc-based PS3 games are affected as well*
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These are what I believe happened for PS3 (BD games & PSN contents, not movie DVDs & PS1 & PS2 games):
The contents are either coded in:
1) NTSC-SD and HD
2) PAL-SD and HD
3) NTSC-SD and PAL-SD and HD
*some contents are NTSC-less/PAL-less but also in SD, and this is not a concern
Case a:
NTSC console + HDTV + Multicoded contents (NTSC+PAL+HD coded)
The console will try to output in HD mode to HDTV = titles worked
Case b:
NTSC console + SDTV + Multicoded contents (same as above)
The console will output NTSC-SD content only = titles worked
Case c:
NTSC console + SDTV + PAL-coded contents (PAL-SD and HD)
The console will refuse to play the PAL-SD content ["This game is not supported. (80028F10)"] or ["You cannot play this game at the current video output setting. (80028F10)"] on new firmware.
#All of the above are purely based on my observation/conjecture, and I might be wrong. Please correct if you feel there is anything wrong
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So anyone here can confirm which EU/PAL PS3 disc-based games worked with NTSC consoles in SDTV setup?
This might save someone that import consoles and play locally-released titles from buying a non-working disc title.
Gamestores here do not accept opened games for return. I hope this post can collate and compile list of working games on SDTV.
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PSN EU/UK/PAL CONTENTS:
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List of unaffected titles:
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Blast Factor (demo & full)
Calling All Cars
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 (demo)
Heavenly Sword (demo)
Mortal Kombat 2
Lemmings (demo & full)
Super Rub-a-Dub (demo & full)
Super StarDust HD (demo & full)
Warhawk
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List of affected titles:
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Tekken: Dark Resurrection
GTHD 2.0
The Simpsons (demo)
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BLU-RAY BASED GAMES:
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List of unaffected titles:
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Assassin's Creed (PAL)
Burnout Paradise (PAL)
Call of Duty 4 (PAL)
Clive Barker's Jericho (PAL) Club, The (PAL)
Darkness (The), (PAL) Dark Sector (PAL)
Def Jam: ICON (PAL) Devil May Cry 4 (PAL)
Fifa 08 (PAL)
Fight Night Round 3 (PAL)
Formula 1: Championship Edition (PAL) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PAL)
Harry Potter 5 (PAL) Kane and Lynch (PAL) Lego Star Wars: Complete Saga(PAL) Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (PAL) Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (PAL)
MotorStorm (PAL) NBA Live 08 (PAL)
Need For Speed Carbon (PAL)
Need For Speed ProStreet (PAL)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma (PAL) Orange Box, The (PAL)
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PAL) Race Driver: GRID (PAL) Rainbow Six: Vegas (PAL) Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (PAL) Resistance: Fall of Man (PAL)
Sega Rally Revo (PAL)
SingStar (PAL) SingStar Vol. 2 (PAL) Skate (PAL)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 (PAL) Top Spin 3 (PAL) Transformers: The Game (PAL)
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (PAL)
Virtua Fighter 5 (PAL)
Virtua Tennis 3 (PAL)
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List of affected titles:
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Army of Two (PAL) Beowulf (PAL)
Bladestorm (PAL)
Buzz!: Quiz TV (PAL) Call of Duty 3 (PAL)
Dynasty Warriors: Gundam (PAL) Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (PAL) F.E.A.R (PAL)
Folklore (PAL) Grand Theft Auto IV (PAL)
Gran Turismo 5: Prologue (PAL) Heavenly Sword (PAL)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (PAL)
NBA2K7 (PAL)
NHL 08 (PAL)
Oblivion (PAL)
WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2008 (PAL)
Spider-Man (PAL)
Tiger Woods 07 (PAL) Turning Point: Fall of Liberty (PAL)
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Apparently there is a few methods to bypass this restriction. You will need to have a copy of Resistance or F1.
For Resistance method:
1. Play a campaign
2. Press start in game (for the pause menu)
3. At the pause menu, eject Resistance disc
4. Insert the affected Blu-Ray disc
5. Select "Save and quit" from the menu
6. The game will boot up
*This method works only on original version of RFOM & F1. Please delete any game data/patch (downloaded) if you insist to try this method
F1: Championship Edition
1. Go to multiplayer menu
2. Select exit to main menu
3. At the confirmation popup, swap the disc
4. Confirm the popup to exit to main menu
5. The game will boot
However this might have some problem with game saves.
A similar thread is also available here.. Please inform me if there is any new updates as I can't really test any single title on the market nor surfing all forums to get any new updates.
To help testing even though you have an HDTV, you can disable (untick) all HD resolutions and only leave NTSC-SD (480i/p) at the console display setting. If the games are affected, error 80028F10 will be shown and will not boot.Message Edited by vorchiel on 08-03-2008 06:46 AM
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03-22-2007 07:55 PM
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Re: NTSC console + SDTV + EU/PAL PS3 games
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Nemesis
Posts: 4990
Registered: 03-12-2005
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Good post. I know you've been having trouble like a few other posters on the boards. Hope you can keep it updated with PAL disc titles that won't work on an NTSC SDTV too. It will help the community out.
PSN: Gavi
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Games Owned: Metal Gear Solid 4, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Singstar, Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds, GTA IV, Uncharted, Resistance, Warhawk, , Call of Duty 4, Folklore, Oblivion, Assassin's Creed, Ratchet &; Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Eye of Judgment.
PSN Games: Super Stardust HD, Pain, Wipeout HD, Flow, High Velocity Bowling, Calling All Cars, Lemmings, High Stakes Poker, Aquatopia, Lumines Supernova.
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03-22-2007 07:59 PM
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Re: NTSC console + SDTV + EU/PAL PS3 games
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Junior
Posts: 51
Registered: 11-03-2006
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yes you are right in your conclusions. HD on PS3 have no PAL/NTSC problems but if you use the regular composite cable then there will be problems. HDMI usage also must be complemented with HDCP compliant HDTV or any HD display such as PC Monitors/LCD's or no display at all. Using Component cables gives you resolution up to 1080p on games but only max 720p on movies. (Using Regular Composite cables supplied with PS3) PAL games will not run on NTSC PS3 via regular NTSC TV (except for PAL games that are programmed by developers to support both PAL and NTSC signals) and vice versa.
Message Edited by xche78x on 03-26-2007 05:57 AM
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03-26-2007 05:27 AM
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Re: NTSC console + SDTV + EU/PAL PS3 games
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Game Sage
Posts: 19416
Registered: 11-04-2004
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If I may inquire, why did you download either of those from the PAL store and not the American one?
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03-26-2007 05:32 AM
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Re: NTSC console + SDTV + EU/PAL PS3 games
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Pixelated
Posts: 439
Registered: 03-10-2007
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ive had the same problem i hav a ntsc console a sd tv and when trying to download from the ps store titles such as gt:concept v.2.0 and tekken: dr do not work would this mean if i buy a PAL game(blu-ray disc) and play it on the ntsc console on a sd tv would it work? thanks for all the help on resolving this issue
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03-26-2007 05:44 AM
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Re: NTSC console + SDTV + EU/PAL PS3 games
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Pixelated
Posts: 439
Registered: 03-10-2007
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i purchased from the uk store as it i needed to use my credit card
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03-26-2007 05:50 AM
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Re: NTSC console + SDTV + EU/PAL PS3 games
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Junior
Posts: 51
Registered: 11-03-2006
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"If I may inquire, why did you download either of those from the PAL store and not the American one?" because europe got version version 2.0 of GTHDC which is not available elsewhere yet. its free and we just wanna try it. i guess games are still region-locked if you are just using standard TV connection (composite cable) SONY may address this issue and force game developers to inlcude support for all region TV signals such as PAL and NTSC.
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03-26-2007 06:01 AM
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Re: NTSC console + SDTV + EU/PAL PS3 games
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Game Sage
Posts: 19416
Registered: 11-04-2004
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xche78x wrote: "If I may inquire, why did you download either of those from the PAL store and not the American one?" because europe got version version 2.0 of GTHDC which is not available elsewhere yet. its free and we just wanna try it. i guess games are still region-locked if you are just using standard TV connection (composite cable) SONY may address this issue and force game developers to inlcude support for all region TV signals such as PAL and NTSC.
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03-26-2007 06:06 AM
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Re: NTSC console + SDTV + EU/PAL PS3 games
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Nemesis
Posts: 4990
Registered: 03-12-2005
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DarkCloudLives wrote:
xche78x wrote: "If I may inquire, why did you download either of those from the PAL store and not the American one?" because europe got version version 2.0 of GTHDC which is not available elsewhere yet. its free and we just wanna try it. i guess games are still region-locked if you are just using standard TV connection (composite cable) SONY may address this issue and force game developers to inlcude support for all region TV signals such as PAL and NTSC.
Yes. Version 2.0 supports force feedback for selected steering wheels.
PSN: Gavi
Feel free to add me to your friends list.
Games Owned: Metal Gear Solid 4, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Singstar, Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds, GTA IV, Uncharted, Resistance, Warhawk, , Call of Duty 4, Folklore, Oblivion, Assassin's Creed, Ratchet &; Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Eye of Judgment.
PSN Games: Super Stardust HD, Pain, Wipeout HD, Flow, High Velocity Bowling, Calling All Cars, Lemmings, High Stakes Poker, Aquatopia, Lumines Supernova.
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03-26-2007 06:06 AM
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